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Ensign · Feb 23, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Siran Dunmorgan

Yikes! That's an image I didn't need... now I'm going to feel this compulsion to wash after running missions with Charles.

Be sure to use enough water for both of us, because I'm not using any.

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Originally Posted by Siran Dunmorgan

More on point, Charles, you know that there are certain things that have to be in the game for the players who are expecting 'flavor'...The Necromancer 'Death' line is part of that requirement that there be certain 'flavors' that casual or image-oriented players expect.

I understand that. Not having the Death line for the Necromancer would be a huge design mistake, because as you say a ton of people are expecting it. Just because those skills exist does not mean they are automatically good, however. The Death line has a ton of inherent problems that keep it from ever being on par with other attributes, and Death Necromancers are just inherently weaker than what can be done with other attributes and classes. They're flavorful, sexy, and pretty much unplayable in a competitive environment.

But the second point is that PvE is not a competitive environment - it's static, with known challenges, and even a severely handicapped character can experience success because of that. When a well designed character made specifically for a given challenge can do it by himself, even a poorly made character being run by a mediocre player can experience success with a team of six. PvE is balanced for the flavor players, for the players who want to do something unique, for people just experimenting - so unless you're going outside the normal rules of the game to crank up the difficulty, what you use really doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Reaper2k3

can you do it WITHOUT a tricked out warrior/monk?

Yes. Yes I can.

Warrior/Monks and Warrior/Necros have zero problems going through Riverside - they have the durability to survive the packs of Mantles, and while the going is slow if you're trying to kill everything you're not at any huge risk of dying yourself.

If you're just going after the good drops, you can kill everything relevant one on one with pretty much anything. Elementalists can win the race, Monks and Warriors have durability, and Mesmer/Necros are probably going to have problems but if you can't find a solution somewhere in that skillset you're not trying hard enough.

Of course anything can knock out huge swaths of the level just by crashing the undead into Mantles, and picking up the pieces. This isn't entirely brainless, but it's completely doable.

Perhaps the best pharming character here, though, is the Zealot's Fire Monk. You have all of the durability of the Warrior combinations, but you're dealing AoE damage while focusing entirely upon yourself. Toss in Balthazar's Spirit and things get easier the bigger the pack is.

I'm sure there are even more combinations that can easily mop up Riverside - it really isn't that difficult a mission, the threats are known, and the skill pool is deep.

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Originally Posted by Reaper2k3

I was making an assumption in my statement that you were doing it where you actually had to fight stuff

Why would you put requirements like that into place? Use every tool at your disposal. When you start putting arbitrary rules on the problem that don't actually exist you're just making things harder and you're lead to bad conclusions. If you're trying to be as successful as possible, you need to use the entire space available, every trick, every skill.

Though the fact remains that you do *not* have to do this in PvE, because it is balanced for people who simply don't think about the game that much. Play a role playing character who actually roleplays, put a bunch of arbitrary restrictions on your character, use bad skills - and still succeed, because PvE plans on you doing just that.

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Originally Posted by Sausaletus Rex

Having been in voicechat with Charles this explains so much. Siran, don't use up all the hot water because I think I'm going to need a bath, too, now.

It's too late, it doesn't come off. The harder you scrub, the dirtier you feel. You're going to be feeling the effects of that image for the rest of your life.

Peace,
-CxE

Reaper2k3 · Feb 23, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Why would you put requirements like that into place? Use every tool at your disposal. When you start putting arbitrary rules on the problem that don't actually exist you're just making things harder and you're lead to bad conclusions. If you're trying to be as successful as possible, you need to use the entire space available, every trick, every skill.

Then your scenario is flawed.

And what's your name so i know who to sic the hordes of undead upon in pvp when i level up my elementalist/necro

Shrapnel_Magnet · Feb 23, 2005, 11:49 PM // 23:49

lol, for your sake, hopefully your team is winning so that you have many corpses from which to raise the hordes that you wish to send...

Reaper2k3 · Feb 23, 2005, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by Shrapnel_Magnet

lol, for your sake, hopefully your team is winning so that you have many corpses from which to raise the hordes that you wish to send...

When i start fire bombing them im sure i will

Sausaletus Rex · Feb 24, 2005, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Feb 23, 2005, 11:49 PM // 23:49	#23
Shrapnel_Magnet Pirate? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: British Columbia, Canada Guild: Idiot Savants Profession: R/	Yar! lol, for your sake, hopefully your team is winning so that you have many corpses from which to raise the hordes that you wish to send...

Feb 24, 2005, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#25
Sausaletus Rex Death From Above Join Date: Dec 2004	[color=red]This thread is now closed.[/color] __________________ In my day, we didn't have virtual reality. If a one-eyed razorback barbarian warrior was chasing you with an ax, you just had to hope you could outrun him.